Chloe Nicole

Q: Yes.

Chloe: Yeah, it's a hard one to explain. Kylie actually read the script one night when she was tired and said "I don't get it". Read it again tomorrow when you are awake. She said "okay, I get it". So there's a lot of...there are characters that you will see one time and you'll think it's Julia but it's actually Lady on the flip side. But the Sylvia/Sarah character is very distinct because my lead actress Gwen Summers has a pretty hard look for the Sylvia character, the female assassin. And when she's there, she is wearing an ash blonde wig and plays like the victimized wife. Like the other two...the other two lead characters are umm...you kind of have to know. It's not one that you're going to be able to fast forward through, in other words.

Q: So even though this is your first feature for VCA, this isn't your first time directing?

Chloe: No, definitely not. I actually did...my original directing debut was for VCA for a gonzo movie called Chloe's What Makes You Cum? And it actually won two awards at the AVNs two years ago, the Safe Sex Award and the Masturbation Award. And from that I was going to do a second one for them but decided not to and Elegant Angel said we would like you to direct for us exclusively, you know, six movies this year. So I took up a gonzo line over at Elegant Angel, that line did really well, the Chloeville line (laughing). So I only have experience as a gonzo director, which is a lot different from the...

Q: But you also got to...you were also in a lot of these movies, right?

Chloe: And actually, I'm in this movie also. I do...my deal with VCA is that I star in six movies a year for them, I direct four but I have to do one scene in each one that I direct.

Q: Ah...so you're actually directing yourself in a scene then?

Chloe: Yeah, well at that point I kind of hand it over to whoever is behind the monitor or my wonderful camera person Jane Waters because he knows what to do. He's the same camera guy I've been working with for years.

Q: And how different is this for you from doing a gonzo movie?

Chloe: Very, very fucking different. In the gonzo, it's basically all about the casting. You umm...you just get people that like to work together, you don't have to worry about whether they can act or not. You hire people based on their fucking merits, if you will. So it's pretty easy to cast. Usually you know if you like working together if I worked with them in the past and I can book and cast it in two hours. So this is so much different, you spend so much time setting up the dialogue shots that the sex is a kind of a breather. We're just having sex, okay; we know what's going to happen. But it's getting the visual storytelling that is the challenge.

Q: So I know you've done some crossover stuff acting wise. Are you looking to doing some crossover directing as well?

Chloe: I haven't really done any crossover stuff acting wise.

Q: You did that stuff for...

Chloe: You know, I don't really consider that crossover shit though. In one industry I'm fucking in the other I look like I'm fucking, it really makes no difference to me. So I don't know if I really consider that crossing over. You know, it's softcore. Now if I got a part in a Paul Thomas Anderson film, then I would be crossing over. I'm not really looking to do any crossover anything. I'm happy being an adult film actress, I'm very happy being an adult film director and I mean if somebody offered me a nice gig on the other side to keep my clothes on and to direct where other people take their clothes off but don't really fuck. How boring would that be [laughing]? I mean, I might consider it, but it's not like I'm using this as a way to move on or up and out. I actually like doing this. I hope VCA keeps me on and allows me to keep on doing this. I love VCA, I love working for them.

Q: How long have you been in the business now?

Chloe: I've been in since October of '95 so...almost seven years I guess. Huh? Fuck! So I've been thinking about making it to crossover to mainstream directing (laughing), because I've been doing this for 7 years. I've been doing the directing thing for about two. I think it's important to challenge yourself with other things around or else you burn out. So I think that's why I've had a little bit more longevity than most thus so far. Because I will always give myself more interesting things to do when I start to feel the burn.

Q: Do you feel that you will be in this industry for a long time? I mean as an actress, as a director?

Chloe: Umm...yeah, I think...I don't know, I think I will probably, I don't know, I might change my mind next year about how long I might want to stay in, but as of right now, I can probably see myself continuing in the directing direction long after I'm done in front of the camera.

Q: And what was the first movie you ever made?

Chloe: You know, I don't know the name of it. I know they put my real name on the box cover...that really pissed me off. It was a gonzo movie for umm...for Jim Lane I think. Then I did Max Hardcore second and my first feature though was Bobby Sox for Vivid. That was kind of what broke me into the feature, even on they figured out that I can actually act [laughing].

Q: Okay, lets talk about that and touch on that a bit. You've been clean how long now?

Chloe: 5 years, 1 month and 17, 18 days.

Q: Was that tough?

Chloe: [laughing] You know, I think that gave me a lot of strength because I already know that I can do the hardest thing I can ever do in my life. So yesterday when I was thinking that I was going to die when we're going into 16 hours and I'm going to die because everyone is going to kill me, I though, I got sober and that's much harder than anything that I'm doing today. So it's always been kind of my little mainstay, kind of my little bottle of whitener. I know that I've done my time in the trenches in this world and nothing will ever come close to getting sober, nothing harder.

Q: Did you come into the business high?

Chloe: Oh my god, yes! I came into the business to support a habit. So umm...yeah. I remember I did my first anal for $200. $200? I was making the big bank. And I was thinking for $200. For me back then it was my half of the rent for me for a month. My rent was only $400 bucks back then. And then they kicked in an extra $50 bucks for a blowjob or a couple of blowjobs and there were my for a week. So I mean hell, I was ecstatic.

Q: Well, things have changed quite a bit now.

Chloe: Fuck yeah...

Q: Now you charge $225.

Chloe: Now I charge $250 for the anal and an extra $50-$75 for the blowjob [laughing]. You know, inflation in seven years and all. Actually I had a really bad problem and I thought that I wouldn't be alive for too much longer and with this industry. I went into a 12-step program. I actually got my shit together. I only worked in porn for about nine months high and I only worked six times in nine months because I looked like shit.

Q: Did anyone help you?

Chloe: Patrick Collins. Patrick Collins helped me in a way he doesn't even know. When I walked in there he took one look at me and said that he wouldn't hire me until I was sober. You come in and show me your 4th step and I'll put you in a movie. I remember I went over there with my 4th step and said, "look, I'm doing it". He said, "okay, you can work for me". Eventually I ended up directing for him as well. So there's a lot of people...there are a lot of people that helped me out in a lot of ways they don't understand by just being themselves. Like Shayla LaVeaux, she's such a little bright spot, she's so happy and on all the time. She inspired me to want to be and to stay here and do this the right way. And umm...Ernest Greene. Ernest Greene probably helped me out the most because that's who I was living with when I got sober and he taught me how to be human again and how express myself. I couldn't put a sentence together back then, I would have the words in my head and I couldn't put them together and make sense to anybody, because I was so fucked up in the head. And he would always rephrase things that I said but not in a way that was condescending. So he would raise me up without making me feel like less than...and I was with him for two and a half years. He was a very...I don't think I could have done it without him. So when I just did my five year cake, he went with me to get my cake because there was no way I could have done it without him.

Q: So, how's your love life now?

Chloe: Oh it's bumping along. I prefer to stay single because I don't want to put the pressure on anybody that doing what I'm doing puts on a relationship. It's a personal choice, plus I can't find anyone that would put up with all my mood swings yet. So what I do when I meet somebody is that I will categorize them into someone I want to have sex with or somebody I want to be friends with the possibility of having sex with. I have a little hard time crossing over friends and sex. For some reason I have always kept those two separate, but I'm working on it. I'm in therapy you know, so I'm working through it. Independence and all that shit. So as it stands right now, I've been single, single for almost two years. The last relationship I had really hurt me so I have some walls, I have some intimacy issues like we all do. I just met a new guy that I like that will be coming here today. I have not had sex with him, but he's already a friend and I definitely want to have sex with him, it just hasn't happened yet.

Q: He's in the other category.

Chloe: He might be one of the crossover ones because when I met him I wanted to have sex with him but then we became friends. Sometimes that happens, but sometimes when that happens they end up disappointing you [laughing]. So I'm taking it slow, which is something I don't do that often.

Q: Do you think because you've been in this business and have had so many sexual experiences that you hold a higher standard on your partners sexually?

Chloe: No, because honestly, camera sex and off-camera sex is two totally different animals. It's like...as I've gotten older and I don't think it has anything to do with being in the industry, my standards have gotten higher...because as you grow up you get very clear on what you don't like and what you do like. So when you meet anybody, when you get passed 17 or 18 past dating mistakes, which I guess is called baggage, it's like you're very clear on what you're pet peeves are and what you're looking for. You know pretty much within a couple of dates if this person is ever going to be what you're looking for. The industry doesn't really change my sexual standards so much because pretty much the things I like to do on camera are the same as what I like to do off camera. I have no problems with teaching somebody [laughing].

Q: So what is it that you do like to do then, sexually?

Chloe: All the things that VCA won't let me shoot anymore [laughing]. I don't like oral sex being performed on me; I do like giving blowjobs, I like anal sex a lot. I go through stages where it's better than vaginal sex or when I like vaginal sex better than anal sex. Sometimes I like it really rough like choking and spitting and sometimes I like it really soft and sweet. So I mean I like the whole spectrum of sexual whatever.

Q: What's the wildest thing you've ever done?

Chloe: The eggplant. Yeah, yeah...

Q: What about the eggplant?

Chloe: I should tell everybody to go down to my web address and see the story about the eggplant [laughing]. The web address is www.chloexxx.com and I own and operate it myself guys, so anyone that got locked in there with your credit cards stuck in limbo, it won't happen again. I'm so sorry [laughing].

Q: So, I remember you once had a vibrator sewn...

Chloe: Oh my god, you know about that story? Yeah, I don't even count that as an extreme sex act because it was just weird. I did have a couple of orgasms with the vibrator in too, but the eggplant is probably my favorite story to tell because it got stuck in there and I had to cut it out with a butter [laughing]. The suturing one happened when I was quite young, I was about 18 when that happened and it was more like experimentation.

Q: So how old are you now?

Chloe: I'm going to be 30 in two months.

Q: Congratulations.

Chloe: Yeah, I made it to 30.

Q: Yeah, we all look back and say that we'll never make it to 30.

Chloe: You do, and it's really just quite a milestone. I know that some people lie about their age but I think at 40, I will too. Like Sharon Mitchell. Every year she has a 40th birthday and keeps having her 40th birthday. And it doesn't stop there though, when you get to 41 you say 40'ish. You're 44...I'm like in my 40's. But I don't mind telling people how old I am, I'm proud to be here and I'm proud of the things I've done in a mere 30 years.

Q: So what's in the future for you?

Chloe: No fucking clue...I have no fucking clue what's in the future. It's umm...I guess I live for today. You know, I don't have to worry about...I mean if I didn't have to worry about. If I had to project forward like ten years from now, I would find myself pretty much not involved so much with the industry and still running my website. Probably doing something a little bit more...I would like to have a kid. I would like to maybe try the husband thing just to say I've done it so that when I'm up at St. Peter's gate "So you've been married how many times?"...Only once, I swear. I'd like to try that; I would also like to try living with somebody. I've lived alone for a long time so it's kind of lonely, but I don't feel so much alone. It is kind of lonely sometimes. And I will probably write a book or two before I move on. One is probably going to be about the porno industry and one will be about the shit before the porno industry. About all the and the ballet and how it can all intertwine and all, it will be a very long book.

Q: What about the ballet?

Chloe: I started off in ballet. I went from ballet to and from to porn. Kind of like the three parts to my life.

Q: Everyone says it's porn to and for you it was ballet.

Chloe: It's always been backwards for me, you know. I started in ballet and the ballet didn't work out so...you study something for 13 years...or for as long as I did it for and it's just not there anymore. You're then left with a very big hole and not a good one. So you stuff it with things that aren't good for you, which is where the came from. My problems were from 17 to 24 [or] 25, I did that and and porn don't mix. So, thank God I learned that within eight months because this is not a good industry to be in if you're fucked up. You think...you start saying things that aren't good for you and you don't charge enough for it. You don't put enough of a price tag on what you do. So you know, you need to be all here, up here [pointing to her head].

Q: Terrific Chloe, thank you very much.

Chloe: Thank you.

Q: So you weren't very removed from Hollywood?

Chloe: God, no. I was from Thousand Oaks. I did my growing up in Hollywood. ...I was down there from the time I was 11 through when I moved there at 17, to when I finally got sober off of at 24. I did not hang out in my hometown.

Q: You got sober how long ago?

Chloe: Four years, five months and 20 days.

Q: What was your of choice?

Chloe: Speed and , with a needle.

Q: Nice! Well unless you're eight years old, it doesn't look like it aged you terribly.

Chloe: It didn't. When I first moved out of my mom's house when I was 17 and I moved to Riverside, where there's not a whole lot to do, but do speed. So I went there on the pretention that I was going to UCR. ...I met this guy and he was a speed addict, so I snorted for two years, smoked for like one, and started shooting at 20, and that lasted all the way up into like '96: July 6, 1996.

Q: How many years?

Chloe: Almost seven years of active use.

Q: Did you O.D. and quit?

Chloe: No. I joined the industry and quit! I've done everything really ass-backwards all my life. I was living with another guy in Hollywood and he had dated Jeanna Fine and so that was kind of my "in ". ...He basically one day said, "I want you to pay the rent." I said, "Well, I'm gonna start doing porno, then." He said, "Fine." I did, and then it was actually six months after my first movie that I got sober.

Q: You just needed some money and got into it?

Chloe: ...I got into the industry to support my habit. ...I needed to make some money to do the way that I felt I really needed to, instead of having to beg 'em off of people all the time.

Q: How did you know how to get into it?

Chloe: Through the guy I was dating at the time. He used to date Jeanna Fine.

Q: Oh, right. Sorry. I used to work in Van Nuys and porn people used to come in there and sort of recruit [for pornography]. If I'd been interested, I don't think I would have known where to go had I not already been dancing.

Chloe: I had always prided myself at age 24 as having never taken off my clothes for money. I never danced I never used any of the normal avenues to get in here.

Q: What did you think of dancing?

Chloe: My girlfriends that I hung out with chose to support their habits with dancing. I was content with picking them up and driving them. I used to drive a couple of girls that were escorts, but I never got involved in it. The first time that I had sex for money was on a Max Hardcore shoot. I jumped right in, both feet. I still have never danced. But I'm getting it together as we speak. I'm actually doing the Spearmint Rhino Tours in January. ...[As to my lack of interest in dancing,] maybe I was insecure about my breasts being too small. Or the fact that I didn't look very good. I was maybe all of ninety pounds. And I had track marks all over my arms.

Q: How tall are you?

Chloe: 5'5" and ½. I was like a skeleton. All head....

Q: What is your favorite part of having sex onscreen?

Chloe: ...It's kind of liberating. To be able to get as nasty as you want and have people applaud it. And to be able to live out fantasies that would be really hard to on your own, off camera. ...Take the typical gang bang situation: line up like 15 really fine men with huge cocks around a pool. Having mattresses thrown from above. It'd be really hard to put together. And everyone's been tested, that's what I mean - it's like a safe haven for living out extreme fantasies.

Q: So it's not just your exhibitionism that gets satisfied, but it's also your sense of sexual adventure?

Chloe: Yeah. Cause I'm not really much of an exhibitionist, really.

Q: Oh, come on.

Chloe: When I'm not on camera...I always wear a big old baggy sweatshirt that covers up my ass when I go out, cause I don't like anybody looking at me. And a pair of baggy jeans. I don't wear makeup and I don't do anything with my hair.

Q: I don't think that makes you not an exhibitionist.... I would say based on watching you say, masturbate on camera, that you're definitely an exhibitionist.

Chloe: I like it when people look at me, but I want them to look at me when I want them to look at me.

Q:
Exactly. Do you ever get sick of sex or desensitized to it?

Chloe: No, but...there was a point in September when I was booked up to like 19 days solid. ...It was completely system-overload. My body was like, "You gotta quit." But right after that, my appendix blew up, so...I was out of work for like three or four weeks, which was a much needed vacation.

Q: I get the sense that you prefer acting with men more than women, is that so?

Chloe: I do prefer sex with men to sex with women.

Q: How come?

Chloe: I'm pretty picky about girls that I am with, I'm not going to say that I'm bisexual, because I really do lean more towards men. I consider myself heterosexual with an inkling to wander every once in a while. ...I'm choosy. There's about five girls in the industry that I really enjoy...working with. But the guys I have maybe two guys that are on my "no" list and that's it. I just like cock. And actually there's another like physical reason. When I was in first grade I got into an accident where I straddled the monkey bars -

Q: Me too!

Chloe: I lost my clit. It does not work at all. I have complete nerve damage. I do not feel anything there, which is why you'll never see oral sex being performed on me in movies. It just does nothing for me. And women make me a little uncomfortable because of that. I know there's like this button to push that's gonna make them come, and most girls will tell me straight out, "I can't come from inside, so just work on the outside," and it just confounds me.... I don't really know my way around there. I'll tell a girl when I go down on her, "I'm like, nominally good at this, at best." I don't know how to do it.
...I can only come vaginally or anally. I've never had a clitoral orgasm, and I never will.

Q: I was three and I slammed down on the monkey bars and I broke my hymen, but I didn't do any real damage, I guess.

Chloe: This was a really bad situation in that there was no follow-up. Basically, what happened was, I jumped from the top bar and my leg caught the third bar from the bottom. ...I spun over too...my head flipped over and I had a concussion cause I hit the bottom bar. ...I hit hard enough to where my labia on the left side separated from where it was hooked down so it was just a tiny piece of skin holding it on. Since there was no follow-up it grew across, where I pee through! To cover basically half of my vagina...and hooked itself back down to the right side. So when I first started having sex at the ripe old age of 11 and ½, it didn't quite work the way it should have...so I had to have reconstructive surgery when I was 12 and they had to unhook the left from where it had attached itself to the right side and put it back where it belonged.

Q: Oh!

Chloe: Of course I was a ballet dancer at the time, and the stitches kind of got mangled cause I wouldn't take a break...I was dancing like eight hours a day, and they told me I'd have to take three of four weeks off. Well, at that crucial point in your career, you cannot do that. I kinda threw caution to the wind and of course the stitches came out, that's why my left labia still is a little danglier than the right.... Now, since they've already fixed it once, if they fixed it again, it would be called cosmetic surgery. And it doesn't get in the way of anything, so I don't have a problem with it.

Q: Why did you become sexually active so young?

Chloe: Well, I think all this relates to that bad accident. At a very young age my attention ...was put on that part of my body. I had an ouchie there, it was a traumatic experience, probably the only one I had of my childhood, I was very aware of that part of my body from a very early. ...I read "Wuthering Heights" when I was like eight... So I was very curious to know about this thing called sex that everyone was talking about. ...And growing up in LA, it's a pretty quick town. I went to the Troubador for the first time to see a rock band at about 11. And that was it. That was all she wrote. I was like, "Okay, it's fuckin Steven Tyler for me...."

Q: You saw Steven Tyler at the fucking Troubador?

Chloe: No. But I saw that movie where he sang "Come Together"! Sgt. Peppers.

Q: Oh, girl! I had the exact same reaction.

Chloe: Yeah. I mean fuck the guy in the white fuckin leather pants, I want the bad boy. That was the boy for me.

Q: I don't care if Steven Tyler is seventy-fucking-five years old, he will still be the man for me.

Chloe: He's the man. Even now, he is fucking so sexy.

Q: Can you imagine what he'd be like to with?

Chloe: I can't even imagine. ...So I saw that movie, and from like age 11 to age 17, I was doing the Hollywood thing. ...I knew every band, I had fucked every band, I mean, Poison, Warrant, any band in LA I was on personal terms with at least one member....

Q: Do you know Brett Michaels? ...He's a very nice guy.

Chloe: He is a very nice guy. I haven't seen him in about 11 years. But you know, "VH1 Behind the Music", they managed to track me down, of all people. I was in it quite a bit...actually, discussing the time I spent with Poison, which was probably all of three weeks back when I was 14.... I have seen any of the guys except for C.C. [Deville] in a long time. ...But when me and Chris broke up, I said, "I don't want to have anything to do with any of you fuckers anymore." ...At the ripe old age of 29, I am finally over the rock and roll thing....

Q: So you had a rocker boyfriend?

Chloe: All my life....

Q: Was your family horrified after you left at 17?

Chloe: No. Me and my mom are like best friends even still. I mean, obviously during the years, she kept her distance, because I didn't want her to see me that way. They've always lived about 20 minutes away, and for that reason my mom and I have always been very, very, very close. In fact, she and my stepdad come with me every year to the AVN Awards. They're totally supportive of the decisions I've made in my life since I've been sober. And she's my best friend. I would do anything for her.

Q: Since your relationship with your family was good, what do you think drew you into the ? Were you just bored?

Chloe: No...I've done some serious thought on this.... At 17, I had been studying ballet all my life - from age six to 17. ...I just had a couple real bad throws of luck. I just realized I was never gonna be good enough - I was never gonna be a prima ballerina, so I quit. I wasn't getting those scholarships, the Joffrey and ABT [(American Ballet Theatre)]...I was too old at that point.... The whole thing fell apart in the space of two weeks. And I just left with like this huge hole in me. You train for something your whole life and then it's not there anymore, you're looking for something to stuff that hole with. That was about exactly the time that I started using speed.

Q: Do you smoke cigarettes?

Chloe: I just quit cigarettes too, on September 26. I'm completely 100 percent sober. Caffeine - I'm not gonna give that up.

Q: How does it feel to be sober?

Chloe: It feels wonderful. I can honestly tell you that...my life completely changed. ...From being a person that actually could not complete a coherent sentence...I was so insecure and so much of a husk of a person...I would form words and they would come out, but they wouldn't make any sense...to being able to talk 3,000 miles a minute and get like 1,000 points across.... And I just enrolled to go back to school I start UCLA in January -

Q: That's where I went to school!

Chloe: That's where I'm going to take writing, actually.... I've got a lot of stories to tell.
I still take like one ballet class a week. I wish I'd known all the stuff I know now, back then, instead of getting caught up in all that competitive ballet crap. Being sober comes first in my life because without it, I really would have nothing.... I'm not gonna say you take it for granted, because you don't, but sometimes you're not aware that you're a recovering addict - you just feel pretty normal. And then like last night, I had this really horrifying using dream and I was like, "Okay - I remember where I came from now," and it just makes me grateful all over again to have eliminated all the self-created drama in my life.

Q: Why do you think porn enabled you to stop using ?

Chloe: Well, it was a 12-step program in conjunction with the porn industry, because I wanted to look good again. It was a vanity thing, really.... And I knew if I could just get my shit together, I could get something out of this, or possibly bring something to it - I could be something here.

Q: Was your withdrawal really physical?

Chloe: Yes, it was very physical and I had a wonderful man in my life that really walked me through it, really just took care of me and never looked down on me...he was wonderful and he's still my best friend. Ernest Green, in fact, he does bondage videos.

Q: What's the most rewarding thing about having your own series? What's it called?

Chloe: I started out giving my movies all separate titles, the only thing the same was they all had "come" or "came" in the title - and that was a very talent-positive director move, in an effort not to stick the talent in, you know, Butt-Slammers-#17-type titles. But it doesn't work to have totally separate titles, because then it doesn't establish itself as a series. I finally broke down and said, "Okay, we'll just do 'Welcome to Chloeville' and then 'Chloeville #2' with a subtitle." ...The first one I did was for VCA. It was called "Chloe's What Makes You Come" and ...I was supposed to do a series for a company called Climax, and I was one of the first actresses to go "condom-only" and when I went over to pick my first check to do this movie, he was like "I can't have a condom-player running a line for me", so I lost it. ...I ended up making "Chloe's I Came, Did You?" and paying for it myself. Elegant Angel bought that from me, outright, and then Patrick said, "We'd like to keep you for six more movies."

Q: That's over?

Chloe: That's over. I'm going to be going under contract for VCA and I'll be directing features this year.

Q: No way.

Chloe: Yep. It's kind of been this little progression for me. I've always kind of shunned the idea of a contract...I've always done pretty well for myself on my own...but I turned 29 in November...and the opportunity to direct features is just something I couldn't say no to.... I also wanted to tell you another reason that the series thing had sounded good to me. I really didn't have very many boxcovers, and I was trying to put together a dance package cause I wanted to going on the road.... So I thought if I start a line, by the end of this year I'll have six movies with my name on 'em...and what better way to...self-promote? And I'm surprised that it took off this way, cause "Welcome to Chloeville" is up for Best Gonzo.

Q: Do you want to say anything about your latest film, "Chloe Cums First"?

Chloe: I can honestly say that I have never been more thrilled in my career than to have this two-year contract with VCA. ...The opportunity to direct features is going to be phenomenal. ...Gonzo is one thing, but features, FUCK...! I'm very, very honored to be part of the VCA family, in the same breath, I'm so honored that Patrick Collins at Elegant Angel gave me the tools.

Q: Why do you want to dance?

Chloe: ...Just being able to get out and meet some of my fans.... I don't really know my fans. ...And also that old dancer in me!

Q: Yeah, you might enjoy it.
...Tell me about your sister being in "Chloe's I Came Did You?"

Chloe: She is always on my sets, she usually works as my P.A. Her and her boyfriend needed some extra money and I said, "Do you guys just wanna do like an amateur sex scene for me?"

Q: So the guy she was with was actually her boyfriend?

Chloe: Yeah. ...We reveal it at the end. She was blindfolded. She didn't know it was him.

Q: Sorry, I guess I didn't see the end.

Chloe: ...Yeah, I told him, "You can't let her know who you are until you make her come once...."

Q: Is she glad she did it?

Chloe: Yeah, she thought it was great. They're not together anymore. It got heavily circulated through the small town where they were living, Thousand Oaks. I think he was a little more perturbed by it. ...She doesn't do any more. It was the first and only time.

Q: What's with the fisting, cause I didn't watch it, but I saw the boxcover.

Chloe: The fist video? That was my idea. The first one that I did with Alicia, which won best girl/girl sex scene all across the board last year. Seymore just got arrested for it last week. ...Vice came down to his offices two weeks ago and just fuckin took him to jail.... I get bombarded with emails from across the country from girls saying, "How do I get my boyfriend to fist me?", "How do you do it?" And I'm like Patrick, "This is ridiculous, we gotta do an instructional video!" I had to really kinda talk him into it, but finally, he went for it.

Q: Who's Patrick?

Chloe: Patrick Collins from Elegant Angel, he's the owner. ...He finally gave it the go 'head and it's really truly an instructional video, where we discuss like lubes, gloves, no gloves, jewelry. We approach all the fears - like college-age guys think that a girl should be really tight and if you take a fist you must be huge and we explain that the vagina is a muscle and it opens to encompass whatever's in it an then it closes back down to whatever size it's supposed to be...from A to Z. And then it was like a 12-girl orgy. ...Seven of the girls had never done a fisting - three of us had. It was like an all-girl, nurturing - it was a wonderful experience.

Q: What's it called?

Chloe: "The Fist, the Whole Fist and Nothing but the Fist". ...It didn't do so well, a lot of the distributors did have a problem with it and Patrick did end up losing money over it.

Q: But it's illegal?

Chloe: No, it's not illegal, cause fisting isn't really illegal. In fact, all the laws in the porno industry besides kiddie porn laws are laws that we've placed on ourselves, because sometimes if you send a tape into a place that might find it obscene, then you can get in trouble.... That community standard might say that it's obscene, so the distributor is afraid to touch it. It's kind...of a self-placed law...like the choking thing: it's not illegal to choke somebody on camera while they're being fucked. It's also not illegal to show penetration during a bondage movie, but we don't because it all falls into that community standard situation, which is a very grey area. The fist video is up for Best Specialty Tape this year, so we'll see what happens. It's just strange to me, because Doc Johnson makes this toy that's like an arm with a hand attached to it. It's like this huge fuckin toy. That's okay to use, because it's made for that, but it's not okay to use a real hand? ...You can out 12 fingers in a girl's pussy from different hands, but as soon as a thumb gets in there, that's illegal?